PermaLinkI Attended Joe Biden's Town Hall Meeting In Nashua Today
08:24:25 PM

According to a recent analysis of the electoral college math, New Hampshire figures prominently as a key "swing state", with our four votes providing the margin of victory for either Barack Obama or John McCain in four of ten plausible "close race" scenarios. It's therefore not surprising that Senator Joe Biden came to Nashua today, and that both Senator Obama and Senator McCain will be visiting New Hampshire this weekend -- details on that TBD.


When I went to pick up my ticket for the Town Hall Meeting with Biden yesterday, the Nashua field organizer asked if I would volunteer to help, and I agreed. This basically means that I showed up two hours early to get an assignment and be briefed by the Obama-Biden advance team, at which point I found that the true start time of the meeting was several hours after I had expected, so I was actually four hours early. My expectation of being able to get back to work afterward went out the window at the point, but that won't be a huge problem. So then I waited around until people started to show up, and I spent the next two hours asking people who were walking toward the building if they had filled in the information on their tickets, telling them that they weren't allowed to bring in backpacks or other large bags, directing VIPs over to their special entrance, and chatting with other volunteers. Then, finally, I got to go through the metal detector and into the Nashua Community College gymnasium, which was packed full of people, and stand in the back and listen to local politicians doing speaking to warm up the audience, listen to a New Hampshire resident Iraq War veteran and registered Republican tell us that he knows that staying the course is the wrong course, which is just part of the reason he is supporting Barack Obama, and then listen to Joe Biden make an impassioned and emphatic speech, and then take a number of questions from the audience. And I can personally attest to the fact that the Q&A was uscripted because I know that one of the questioners had not had a ticket to the event beforehand and had been made to wait in the "stand-by" group until almost the last minute before he got in.


This is the third time I've seen Senator Biden speak in person. The first time was 31 years ago. The second time was 21 years ago. And now today. I managed to get myself up close enough to the rope-line after the event to shake hands with him this time, and to tell him that I knew more than 30 years ago that someday I'd be supporting him for national office.


Here's one brief YouTube clip of part of the event, the coverage from WMUR-TV in Manchester, and the coverage from WHDH-TV in Boston. If I run across a link to additional video, I'll update later.

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1. David Vasta09/10/2008 11:52:04 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


"staying the course is the wrong course"

So finishing the job is NOT SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IN?

I hope your employer never hears you say, continuing to do the job I set out to do was wrong.....how pathetic.

Now, that may be the reason he is supporting Obama, but is that one of your reasons as well?

I find it odd that Obama didn't support the war, yet if we all recall he was not asked since it was not apart of his job. He was nobody at the time and not calling any shots. You can sit in your house in Chicago and cry about the war and not supporting it, but no on e was asking him to vote since he was not in any official position. Lastly on this "SUPPORT THE WAR" crap, if that was his position it was not the position of his constituents who did in fact support the WAR, so how does he do his job as a representative of his constituents by doing the opposite of what they want?

That's not representation, that's being told what you will do, like a dictatorship.

I also have to wonder about the person who was in IRAQ who can say we should not have stayed the course, when staying the course worked did it not? The proof is all over the news and the papers yet idiots are out there saying it was a bad choice?

How stupid a statement is that! We are pulling out of IRAQ and handing it over to the people who live there. We got rid of the people who were causing trouble and life is getting back to a stable daily pace.

Do you not know we are still in Japan and Germany some 60 years after WWII and we took pot shots from people all the while who didn't want us there?

Why is it now not OK to help out what may end up being a country in the middle east who might like us, and for the most part the people do as long as we let them live and run their government. We can't stay in IRAQ but we can stay in Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Singapore and many other places, but not IRAQ to help out?

Joe Bidden is not a leader in my view, he is a politician and the same old same old from DC, I thought this was about new politics and HOPE & CHANGE when in fact it's the same old crappy politics we have had for to long.

Bidden is no visionary and neither is Obama with his pick of Biden, he showed his hand. Obama picked a plain old DEM who knows nothing about the people he represents. Sorry Richard I don't understand your love affair with Joe or the DEMS this political season. It's all so confusing and anti-America from the chair I sit in. No one understands what is at stake this year. America is not about rules and hand outs for the poor, its about freedom, small gov't and the ability to work hard and be rewarded, nothing the DEMs are in favor of.




2. Richard Schwartz09/11/2008 12:58:01 AM
Homepage: http://www.poweroftheschwartz.com


@David: We do not agree on much of anything, but I believe that whenever I have responded to you here or on your blog, I have kept my comments on point and civil. If I haven't been perfect about that, I still know for sure that I have never treated you with the disrespect that you have just shown to me.

How dare you SHOUT at me in my own blog. How dare you! How dare you come into my blog and call me pathetic, stupid, an idiot and anti-American! How dare you! And how dare you tell me that I don't understand what is at stake this year! How dare you! How dare you tell me what America is about! Who the hell are you to know any better than me what America is about? What are your authoritative sources that back up your view of what America is about? You are entitled to your own views, David, but how dare you come here and tell me off for my political views, and act as if your own political views are somehow endowed with absolute truth and clearly imply that I must be too stupid to understand it.

Here's news for you, David: the facts as you see them may not be 100% true. They may leave some room for different interpretations, and some people do in fact come to different conclusions. Some very intelligent and very well-informed people, as American as you any day, any time, and any place, David, do in fact disagree with your interpretation of what is happening in this country and in this world. In fact, David, it is safe to say that roughly half the people in this country disagree with you on just about everything you believe, and some of them are probably better informed than you are about history, current events, and well... pretty much everythng.

I don't know where you are, David, but here where I am in New Hampsire it is now a few minutes into 9/11. In view of that, I will refrain from responding to you with the true measure of the anger that I feel about your remarks for now. I will also refrain for the next 24 hours from trying to calmly separate your insults from your points and completely and accurately refute you. I will refrain from that because I don't like the odds on being able to control my anger right now enough to do that and it would be inappropriate to match the level of your incivility, or even come close to it, on this day. It would be unseemly to, on a day that all Americans should treat with solemnity, to say the things that I am thinking right now, but believe me on this: what I said above doesn't even scratch the surface of my feelings about this, and I will come back to it.




3. KingCast09/11/2008 07:30:37 AM
Homepage: http://kingcast.net


Note on the Hillary comment: The Republicans are taking a simple compliment designed to show party unity and trying to stretch it to weaken a strong Democratic ticket ,in the face of the Truth: John McCain and Sarah Palin are more of the same feckless management that put our country in such a sad state to start with.

"I could walk from here to Manchester and doubt I'd find one person who would say the fundamentals are strong and the economy is roaring – unless I ran into John McCain," Biden said.

I told him he and Senator Obama are the most formidable ticket in my 43 years and also appreciated the hug and his response to my question about enforcement of gun laws for people like Gregory W. Floyd, a multiple felon with a violent history. In my opinion Floyd murdered Liko Kenney but the Republican NH AG won't refer him to the feds for weapons charges even though he has continued to own guns. That was me in the white pants and brown shirt standing behind Senator Biden during the video frequently shown.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2008/09/new-bruce-mckay-evidence-and-kingcast.html

He gave me a hug and said "The Law is clear," referring to recitation of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(1) in his administration no U.S. Attorney would fail to enforce the law.

I shoot guns (legally) but enough is enough.




4. David Vasta09/11/2008 07:41:13 AM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


Stop being a little kiddie.....

"How dare you SHOUT at me in my own blog."

@ Richard - This is called re-direction. Magicians use it and it's pathetic. Please don't shout at me? Really. Because I used BOLD does not mean I am shouting, it means I am making a point. That is a pointless attempt to do nothing by cry.

I was not shouting, I don't shout.

I also never said you were ......pathetic, stupid, an idiot and anti-American!

Seems as if you can't read either. I called the ideas behind the solider or sailor pathetic, stupid, an idiot and anti-American!

Richard, I will make it clear, when I call you that and I have not you will not have to guess or assume anything. But hey....

Here is the problem Richard, you and like most left winged socialist can't seperate emmotions from facts. I never called you any of those things and if you think I did then your getting all upset about the wrong thing. Next, sometimes you need a gut check to wake you up. You need ot get fired to relized you need to work harder, you need someone to call ideas about the war sad and pathetic to make you think about your position. I never called you any of that but you decided to use that as your point rather than deal with the issues at hand.

The other part is this. America is jacked up right now becasue of bad politicians like Joe and Like Obama, now let me say this too. There are plenty of people on the other side of this problem now too and I don't represent either side, but you seem to think because I am not on your side that my not very smart and because I don't live close to NYC then I am less informed than you and I do in fact think that is a sad commentary on your views. If your angry then call me, I am in the book. I don't care. I know I have morals and fact based thinking. I can also back up my appreciation for this country with service and dedication.

Everyone and even you wrote me off as some crazy man because I presented facts, and the facts are never good enough for the left winged fanatics. That is the sad part.

Also you can't seem to take a good gut check. Sadly you think I am "beating you up" or being uncivil and it's anything but true. If you a sesnsitve person then I guess you can see it that way, but you posted a love fest for Joe, who is a bland 30 year politician with no back bone and a lousy record, and I called on it. Call it what you will but your no more special than anyone else I disagree with.

You keep putting out politician tripe about a lair(Obama) and a old politician(Biden) and I am going to comment and when you post a line or two about some angry American who served in Iraq and quote him saying we should have pulled out of IRAQ and left the job half done, only to look now and see the progress then I am going to all you for it. I am not going to let you post tripe and then get nothing for it.

It's also insulting to think that you are some how more holy than I because you live closer to 9/11 than I do? Are you joking. I posted on 9.10 and was not aware that arguments to your post were not allowed in or around 9/11? WOW what an invisible rule that is?

I am and was truly saddened buy the hostile actions that were taken towards my country on 9.11.2001. Just because I live in CHARLOTTE, NC does not mean they are any less painful. Your comments as to the fact that you don't know where I live and you live closer so you hurt more is rubbish. It is typical liberal misdirection and insult-tion. Yes I just made that word up.

That is in fact the most insulting part to your comment.

If you would like to make some fact based comments about what I posted then go for it. As far as I can tell your post and comments on this site are all emmotion based and are not fact based when it comes to politics.

Also as for history, I am afraid your barking up the wrong tree, and am a history fanatic and severed in the NAVY in JAPAN (Using BOLDS because I think that make a point, I am not shouting oh and I don't see any rules for posting so I a assuming that there are none.) so I would in fact has first hand knowledge of some of the facts you avoided and have been very well read and talked to people in those wars about their knowledge. In fact I was writing a book about it at one time.....sadly they are all passing away and it's harder and harder to get all the details.

-David Vasta
Charlotte, NC
Served in the US Navy June 1993 - Nov 1997

USS BEAUFORT (ATS-2) Sasebo, JAPAN
93 - 95

USS SAN BERNANDINO (LST-1189) Sasebo, JAPAN
95 - DECOM
50TH ANNIV. @ IWO JIMA

USS CAMDEN (AOE-2) Bremerton, WA
95 - 97
Operation Southern Watch - Persian Gulf 1996

PS - Just some details so you know where I am. Like that matters but you made it an issue.












5. Bruce Perry09/11/2008 08:52:39 AM


@4 - Just to clear up a point. Rich did not say anything about you posting a reply on 9/11. He simply said he wasn't going to reply to you on 9/11.

I will follow Rich's lead and reserve further comments till tomorrow.




6. Rob McDonagh09/11/2008 10:00:48 AM
Homepage: http://www.CaptainOblivious.com


David,

Like other patriotic liberals, I won't discuss politics on 9/11. That was Rich's point in his reply. Your misunderstanding of that is very surprising.

Rich's blog, like most in the Domino blogosphere, supports bold, italics, and underlining, all of which are useful ways to emphasize a point. You're not using bold, you're using ALL CAPS. Text in ALL CAPS is universally considered shouting.

Your writing tone is also consistently angry. If you are not angry when you're writing these comments, you may want to consider ways to indicate that in your writing style. I know you've indicated before that you are dyslexic and that is why you misspell words, so without putting words in your mouth (that is an attempt to avoid disrespect, to be perfectly clear), if that disability limited your exposure to education about writing then the onus would be on you to account for those limits when engaging in an online discussion. We have no facial expressions online, and tone of voice is indicated by writing style alone. Personally, I have always "heard" your posts and comments about politics in a very angry, loud "voice" because of the way they're written, and the responses of others indicate that they "hear" you as angry as well. If that's not your intention, then you are failing to make your intent clear.




7. Dave T09/11/2008 10:51:27 AM
Homepage: http://www.venganza.org/


Please don't feed the trolls...

The @David guy seems to be attacking you for what he imagines Biden might do or something, and as an argument, it's invalid from the beginning.

I have a simple thought for you to consider, especially when you encounter anger (from within or without)

Nobody can *make* you angry, only *you* can make yourself angry.

Please think on that a bit... and stay cool !





8. Ben Poole09/11/2008 02:21:17 PM
Homepage: http://benpoole.com


Don't get riled Richard; I thought all you guys would have turned off when "iseries addict" started posting 40 year old quotes from Obama SENIOR, mis-reading them in the process and erroneously attributing them to your current presidential candidate. Well duh!




9. David Vasta09/11/2008 03:18:06 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@BEN - Your smarter than that and you still missed the point. So I don't know what to tell you Ben. Obama is a product of his environment. We are all a product of our environments.

Don't discount my voice Ben because you don't agree with me, that is ridiculous and infantile.

Obama scares me and that is all I have for you. If he does not scare you then you also are not afraid of the politics of Red China or the Former Soviet Union. He is a State-ist and a Socialist, and I don't like those ideas, they bread lazy non-inspired people who are dependent on the government.

The quote is still a quote and you can't refute that, so your point is nothing more than name calling trying to discredit me because I don't fall in lock step with you and all the other comrades.

@9/11 - I don't get the not posting bit, if that is the case then why would you post and say your not going to post? It just seems like an odd comment on yourself and how holy you all think you are.




10. Rock09/11/2008 03:35:37 PM
Homepage: http://www.lotusgeek.com


@David V - I've known you a good while, and you know that you and I disagree a great deal on many issues, but we also agree on quite a few as well (that's the fun part about being a "practical" Libertarian - I tend to piss off both sides!). But I do want to agree with some others on one salient point today, because I think getting constructive criticism from friends is one of the greatest services that friends can provide.

When I read your posts (and this is true even moreso lately) you sound like a conservative talk radio host. You sound like someone who has drank the hate-spewing talk radio kool-aid a bit too much. You're posts do indeed sound extremely angry and confrontational, and while you may not be attacking people directly, you are certainly in a "grey area" whereby you're attacking the ideas presented with such vitriol and in such a way that it definitely infers you're attacking the person, along with the idea.

So, my suggestion is to simply calm down. Take a cleansing breath. Come back to the discussion with cold, hard, irrefutable facts (dates, times, places, people's statements, etc.) and then use those as the basis of your discussion or response. I would also ask Rich and other respondents to do the same, as this is the only way to conduct civil discourse on such a hot-button topic.

I must admit that I tend to hate this time every four years. Instead of discussing and debating the issues civilly, our political races - especially the presidential election - has degraded into a season of half-truths, mudslinging, lies, and damn lies. And now the media, especially talk radio (and cable news networks) goes even further than the candidates do - and their faithful listeners/viewers slurp this all down like a hungry dog on raw meat until they are rabid with hate-laced commentary, because it's the only thing they're hearing anymore (and I'm including BOTH Democrats and Replublicans in this, although I will admit there are many, many more rabid Republican talk radio shows than there are Democrat ones).

So, let's try, as a community, to rise above the rabid media and conduct ourselves as ladies and gentlemen. I think we owe it to each other to do so.

Rock




11. Rock09/11/2008 03:48:33 PM
Homepage: http://www.lotusgeek.com


@Dave T (7) - I was touched by His Noodly Appendage




12. Chris Reckling09/11/2008 03:56:08 PM


wow - that's all I can say. When I first read Richard's account, it seemed like an innocuous, factual report of his experience at a political rally, which last time I heard, is legal in this country. Democrats and Republicans have them every day to fire up their base and potentially reach new audiences in the middle.

I cannot comment on Mr. Vasta's posts. It appears to me that he is angry at the soldier who didn't want to "stay the course", which is not the same as "not finishing".

Chris




13. Ben Poole09/11/2008 05:18:18 PM
Homepage: http://benpoole.com


The quote is still a quote and you can't refute that, so your point is nothing more than name calling trying to discredit me because I don't fall in lock step with you and all the other comrades.

"The quote is still a quote"? Oh, that's alright then

BTW, if you think Democrats / Obama are about socialism, you might want to take Polsci 101.

Oh, and FWIW, I'm not a 'comrade', and I'm not "discounting" you because I don't agree with you (I'm sure plenty of us disagree with each other). No, I'm discounting you because much of what you say is factually incorrect / inflammatory, and some of it is just plain nuts.




14. Dave Gallagher09/11/2008 07:24:55 PM


@David V. - Is not the enemy those who profit from the deaths of innocents? Don't waste your fire on your fellows who share your desire to keep America strong and free. Target those who peddle in fear and hatred, and whose interest is not in freedom but in power.




15. David Vasta09/12/2008 12:47:02 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@ Rocky - noted and I thank you for being frank, but I will still call you Rocky.

I don't think of myself as a conservative (in that i am not religious and have some very different views of how the country should be run )., and i know I am not a democrat (in that i am not religious and have some very different views and think the welfare nanny state we live in is worse for the country and the people, not better .).

I don't listen to much Right-Radio, mostly NPR and some mixed radio. I have been in Radio in fact in Atlanta, but that was about tech stuff, not much politics unless it was about Mr. Gate or Mr. Jobs.

Sadly I have a great deal in common with you, the Libertarian and I like the Constitutionalists view. I don't like either McCAIN of OBAMA, but the guy I should support stands no chance of winning so I have to pick from the two turds, which turd is worse? Hummmm I think we all know who I think is worse and it rhymes with NO-HAMA?

So for those of you who get me, and a few of you do and you email me telling me to shut up because there is no point to commenting on Richard's blog. Some of you here in the L/D community don't like the LEFT part of our community and that is fine, and you all have said that Richard is in fact one of the lefties and to just ignore him, but then it bugs me that Richard has been main-lining the blue cool-aid and can accept lies and half-truths from a candidate who is poor at best while I am told I am wrong for not liking them.

I understand that you all can think I am some nut, and some of you have said it and I thank you, but if you like the DEM ticket I think your nuts, so we cancel each other out. Just face facts that we don't agree and that is fine, but don't misrepresent my comments for hate or anger they are more like disgust. disgust for the process, the candidates and the government. how any of you can read history, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and think we are doing a good job have to be mental?

(NOTE: That is my opinion of OBAMA, I think he is a lair and that is that. I don't trust him because he is not genuine and honest and his purpose in life to take from the haves(me) and give to the have-nots all while he and his kind gain wealth from doing what they do. If you need proof - Look at his wife's work history. For a community leader he should does have a lot of money.)

I do however see your point Rocky and I will work extra hard to refrain from being an arse-hole and be like Thomas the Tank Engine, for all you parents, BE MORE USEFUL!

-David




16. David Vasta09/12/2008 12:49:42 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@Dave Gallagher - I like what you said and I am still thinking about it. I will take your lead.




17. David Vasta09/12/2008 12:52:05 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@ Mystery Person - Thanks again for signing me up for the following:

Here’s what’s new at SocialistWorker.org...
http://socialistworker.org

What a huge help you have been!

@Rocky - I was thinking too, if i use more emots in my post maybe people will think I am less angry and more unstable.




18. Ben Poole09/12/2008 06:11:50 PM
Homepage: http://benpoole.com


OK I've returned to this page, and it's clear that David needs help. I hope we can extend it to him.




19. Bruce Perry09/12/2008 11:41:04 PM


@15 - Dave, you need to learn the difference between a fact and an opinion. I understand that the following is your opinion:

"... his purpose in life to take from the haves(me) and give to the have-nots all while he and his kind gain wealth from doing what they do."

but why should the rest of us accept that as a fact? Please cite some hard evidence that Obama is planning to do this. His published tax plan will be giving tax breaks to 90 - 95% of Americans.

Bonus question #1. Why is it wrong for Obama to have money and ok for John McCain? Four years ago the Republicans were calling Kerry a gigolo for marrying into money. It seems odd to me that they're no longer concerned about such things.

Bonus question #2. Please explain what you mean by communist and socialist. You are fond of slapping these labels on people without much more justification than simply disagreeing with their views. If you want these labels to stick, explaining why they apply would help your case.




20. David Vasta09/13/2008 12:24:20 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@BEN- I don't know you, and I read you blog from time to time, but I don't need your kind of help. You seem like a patronizing so-and-so and I for one don't understand you comments or your wit. So unless you have something to offer I would ask you not HELP?

Sheesh




21. David Vasta09/13/2008 01:05:06 PM
Homepage: http://www.iSeriesAddict.com


@Bruce - I am going to try to answer your questions with some civility, if I get side tracked it's only because I am passionate about these topics and while no one may understand that, I love America, I served in the US Navy and with the nanny-state we are seeing come about I think a lot about moving some place where I don't have to watch my country be torn apart by celebrities(sadly every day people listen to them and it makes me crazy.) and wealthy left wing contributors who in my opinion are not doing what is good for capitalism and democracy.

"but why should the rest of us accept that as a fact?"


If you have read both of Mr. Obama's books, investigated his past and seen his work, along with his wife's I can't see how anyone who has read that and taken it all into consideration that he is not planning on introducing more communist/socialist policies and plans for America. If you have not read all of that and have time lines and job,work history lined out on a sheet of paper somewhere I truly don't think you know anything. I have been reading non-stop on both candidates for the past 12 months, and again I say I like neither, but Obama scares me and is a constant liar.

"but why should the rest of us accept that as a fact? Please cite some hard evidence that Obama is planning to do this. His published tax plan will be giving tax breaks to 90 - 95% of Americans."

His past in Chicago and Illinois does not work if this is his plan. He has never done this and while talk is cheap actions are stronger. In Illinois he raised taxes and gave money to criminal groups like ACORN, who has been in trouble all over the country for fraud. Mr. Obama has never done what he said he was going to do when he becomes president. His training and education also say he can't lower taxes. You also look at his family and thier past along with what he has said all along to this point and this is the first time he has every said he is going to lower taxes. Why the change of direction now? How can he lower taxes and give away money to the poor, and provide health care?

You can read this bit ad see what tax plan you like:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031268,CST-NWS-tax30.article

I would of course prefer a FLAT TAX vs. INCOME TAX, but I don't see that an either presidential candidates plan....sadly.


"Why is it wrong for Obama to have money and ok for John McCain? Four years ago the Republicans were calling Kerry a gigolo for marrying into money. It seems odd to me that they're no longer concerned about such things."

Again I go back to I don't like either, but Obama's money is I think ill-gotten. His wife is on a Hospital BoD in Chicago that is just covered and littered with problems while she continues to pull down millions. At that hospital they don't reflect the "Make Health Care Better" mantra, in fact while they both profit from that hospital they refuse service to those Americans with no health care. Obama has time after time take no pay jobs and somehow seemed to make more money then the people he was working for and now is pretty darned wealthy, and living in one of the nicest Chicago neighborhoods too? For a public servant who touts himself as new blood it sure is an odd statement.

As for McCain, I have problems with his money as well, but he is 30 years older than Obama and when McCain was Obama age he didn't have half the money Obama did? In fact I do recall an article I can't find that was in the Washington post that said something like McCain was living OK off his current job but was barley worth a million dollars when he was 40.

Obama has also done some pretty pathetic things in Illinois to get his money and associated with some pretty foul people. I don't know how I feel about McCains new spouse and so far all I know is that her father started the company with everything they had and was not one to turn over the company to anyone in the family without them earning it.

I think the problem with Kerry was he ran a hate campaign, and not a ME campaign. I never had any problem with his money. I don't think you can find a place where I said I did. I didn't like Karry's, vote for me I hate Bush too, when I would have preferred a, vote for me I plan to do something like ......

All is split milk now eh?

"Please explain what you mean by communist and socialist. You are fond of slapping these labels on people without much more justification than simply disagreeing with their views. If you want these labels to stick, explaining why they apply would help your case."

Democrats commonly like the idea of making sure everything is fair, and while it seems like a noble thing to do, it's not American.

You have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. While you have the right they are not guaranteed. I think Democrates think everyone should have same things all the other people who have, have. This is a communist view of a nation. I think the trip Obama took to Europe was not to show that he was a canidate for brining the world together, it seemed more like he wanted to make sure the socialist and nanny state countries he did visit got behind him, which they did. All of the nanny state countries he visited love him, while this is super, his view of the world is not capitalist or a free-market where hard work is rewarded with more. Instead Obama has commonly said and done the task of saying the poor need to share in the wealth of the people how have more than they do. Most of the Russian Czars had the same view of the world. I use the word comrade and socialist because in some cases it true, I think Richard is very "take from the haves and give to the poor" with some of his comments on this blog and others.

Case and point, Universal Health Care is a socialist program, it takes money from the people who work and have health care and gives money and health care to the people who don't work and are poor. This plan is silly and if you look at Canada and the UK, they both have this plan and it s wreak. All the good doctors from Canada work here most weeks and in Canada one day a week if they can to make sure they keep their license. I have talked to canadian friends who have waited in an emergency room for a cut to get stitches for over 26 hours. My wife recently broke both arms and was in and out in under 4 with major surgery the next day. In the UK or Canada it would have taken months.


If you want to see how the US Medical System will look when they take it over, go spend a day at a V.A. Hospital. 18 hours to get a physical in Charleston, SC at the huge V.A. hospital.

I hope that helps, maybe it does not.....Rocky, how did I do?

PS - I voted for Perot & have never been a registered REP or DEM, I mostly vote the other dude.




22. David Vasta09/13/2008 11:21:37 PM
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Oh and I was doing some more reading today and wanted to share it with you. It has nothing to do with either dufus running for president. If you have not read "Atlas Shrugged" then you need to. That book has a lot to teach the world and way to many "Truths" in it. Most Democrats don't understand the book and think is fanciful thinking and most republicans read it and think it's about the evil or socialism, well it's neither, it's about being the anti-parasite on the world. Going to share some John Gault and Ayn Rand Quotes to tide you over.

"not living for the benefit of another..."

"Capitalism demands the best of every man his rationality and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him."



Listen to John Gault, it applies today.

http://homohominilupus.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/on-the-50th-anniversary-of-atlas-shrugged-the-john-galt-speech-video-dramatization/

I AM JOHN GAULT!




23. Bruce Perry09/16/2008 01:03:44 AM


@Dave V,

Last point first, I think our veterans should have the same health care that senators get. Ideally, we'd accomplish that by giving veterans better health care. I'd willingly pay more in taxes to get this done.

That said, you're still having some issues with that fact/opinion problem I mentioned earlier. You're very ready to impute motives to others when the evidence is thin at best.

"... I think Democrates think everyone should have same things all the other people who have, have. This is a communist view of a nation. I think the trip Obama took to Europe was not to show that he was a canidate for brining the world together, it seemed more like he wanted to make sure the socialist and nanny state countries he did visit got behind him, which they did. All of the nanny state countries he visited love him, while this is super, his view of the world is not capitalist or a free-market where hard work is rewarded with more. Instead Obama has commonly said and done the task of saying the poor need to share in the wealth of the people how have more than they do. Most of the Russian Czars had the same view of the world. I use the word comrade and socialist because in some cases it true, I think Richard is very "take from the haves and give to the poor" with some of his comments on this blog and others."

Where I see changing the current level of taxation as being part of "promote the general Welfare" as mentioned in the Constitution, you jump right to calling this change communist in nature. Is there any level of taxation you'd accept as just? And just how do you suggest that we pay for our current war, the one we're putting on our national credit card? Is it responsible just to pass it along to the next generation?

Also, you can't possibly mean that the Russian Czars, the pre-communist aristocratic rulers of Russia, have the same world view as Obama - at least not if you think he's a communist. They were very much in favor of keeping the poor in their place. Could you have meant commissars?




24. David Vasta09/18/2008 09:52:06 AM
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@Bruce

My opinion is just that, my opinion. I base my opinion on what I have read and what I have listened to by seasoned "biased' media.

When I say I THINK Obama is a COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST I base this on his comments, policy and speeches. I base this on what Biden has said for over 30 years, and what Obama's wife has said and is saying now to the people of the US.

I am not opposed to taxes, what I don't think is fair is the "common good" comment. It's not my job or my responsibility to prop up people who don't work hard. I don't know how anyone can think it's their position in life to work hard and just hand it over to someone who thinks they are a victim for what ever reason and they deserve to not have to work and take from the government. That is not why we have Governments.

As for health care, being a veteran and knowing the system very well, I think your comments about offering the same level of service that the senators gets would be good is fanciful at best.

I would not be willing to pay more taxes for that. I disagree. I would however like to see us CUT SPENDING. I don't know what this is such a hard concept for people to grasp. The Government spends entirely to much money on things we don't need. Things that we could use the money for better purposes, but instead we need to raise taxes. Raising taxes is not the answer to anything.

Asking me "Is there any level of taxation you'd accept" is like asking me a silly question. I fear that people, much like Biden said yesterday, that it's your job to pay taxes, and it's not. As a nation and a people we should pay a small amount of taxes, there are plenty of tax to go around. Like any business if you don't have enough money at the end of the year you don't raise the price and force your customer to pony up only after they have already ponied up. You cut cost and make sure for what you r making you are charging a FAIR rate.

What I pay in taxes now, seems pretty fair. i could use a little less, but under both Obama and McCain I fear it's going to go up. I also fear that the people under $250K a year are OK with the tax increase on the people above $250K a year since "that's what they deserve for making that much money" when in fact once the government figures out a way to spend that money they will in fact need to slide the ruler down to the $100K a year people. It's only a matter of time. If you study places like the UK and Netherlands this is what happened over there, they started with the "RICH" and slide all the way down to the "POOR", now they all pay over 50% and for what?

I think that is all for now. I have overstayed my welcome here. This seems pointless again. I fear the country needs to have an all out fight, another civil war politically again so that we can all start to understand who we are, why the US of A exists and how to get back to basics.




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